Now as far as whiskey goes, Im a newbie to Irish stuff but tend to love it all since I am a hard drinker for 6 plus decades. Arthur Guinness was definitely Protestant And a Unionist. He was adamantly against Home Rule as well. [2], In 1791 James Power, an innkeeper from Dublin, established a small distillery at his public house at 109 Thomas St., Dublin. @Allen: Thats just my point. . Come back if yer all so fucken proud. The young fella attending to the store asked if I wanted Catholic or Protestant then he placed a two bottles of Bushmills on the counter one plain and one Black label. Looking for Irish Whiskey to use in a recipe for bread pudding I paid a visit to our local liquor store and inquired as to the best Irish Whiskey available. Very sweet (like the inside of a burnt marshmellow). So by your logic it is fair to say that Every time you raise a glass of American Bourbon you are in essence raising a glass to an Native American losing his land (and in MOST cases his life) to British/American rule! And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. Not all American or Irish whiskies spell the word with an elike Makers Mark, George Dickel, Old Forester, Early Times or Paddy spell the word w-h-i-s-k-y. And as you can check from the email address I come from Finland, a protestant country. As a bartender years ago in Chicago I was told When stocking your liquor on the back of the bar. The last member of the family to sit on the board was Sir Thomas Talbot Power,[8] who died in 1930,[10] and with him the Power's Baronetcy. Though I like all of the ones mentioned above more. I was wondering when someone would ask this question. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. It is true to say it is an almost exclusively Protestant village, but otherwise it is a quiet rural area on a picturesque coastline, visited annually by thousands of tourists from both side of the divide. It is all quite harmonious between the distilleries. Its an American argument that doesnt carry weight here, whiskey is whiskey. I have even concocted a drink for St. Patricks day,. What can one expect from people who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life? But thats merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork Catholic country. Bushmills is distilled in County Antrim, Northern Ireland. To complicate the issue even more, Bushmills has been owned by a big drinks corporation since 1972 (first Irish Distillers, now Diageo), but before then it was owned by a Scottish Jew! Trust me on this. It retails slightly cheaper than Jameson in the US, at $16 a bottle. catholic - from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning "universal". Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. For a blend, I am really impressed with the Michael Collins. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. The regular is fine; the Black Bush is nice if maybe too refined for me when I want a dram of Irish. Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. Ive been a big fan of Jamesons for many years, first drinking it when I was younger. Distilling of locally grown agricultural to produce alcohol is something that is not peculiar to Ireland. and my green on July 12th. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. About one-in-five (18%) chose "the Great Crusade," while 6% said "the Great Schism" and 5% said "the French Revolution Many of these came from the grain mills along the Bush River, where the current distillery stands today. Support the old sod. I often wonder why those Irish-Americans (usually in Irish bars of Boston or New York)who bring up this absurd and frankly bigoted discussion about Protestant & Catholic whiskey do not apply the same rule when it comes to drinking that most Irish of drinks Guinness. neither, Im a Jew. There was an Irish-American lobby group headed by a politician that was running for mayor that started a whole anti-Bushmills campaign in San Francisco in the early 90s claiming that the company never hired Catholics, a convenient attract Irish-American votes. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. And if you just like something different then Cooleys your distillery (though that Michael Collins stuff is shite). Very easy arrangement. I am pretty sure that if you visited the Guinness brewery in Dublin your guide would not have mentioned the fact about the companys discrimination against Catholics, let alone advise on boycotting it. Im also a bit confused on the cheap part. Your email address will not be published. I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. Any particular reason why in 1998-1999 Bushmills would have distilled of at least bottle up for Jameson ????? Jamesons for sure. Most of those comments are from Americans who watch a lot of television, Im afraid. It wasnt an issue about who owns what. . Fact: the worst atrocities in the Irish struggle for freedom were perpetrated by the Irish on each other and were not likely fueled by religious affiliation but the politics of the time. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. However, this is just a rumor, but I did hear it from a pretty reliable source in the industry back in Ireland. Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. Today in Trader Joes, the checker looked at my bottle of Bushmills and then at me and asked, Catholic or Protestant? I had never heard that one before. While John Jameson was most likely a Protestant, his distillery in Dublin represented the Free State mentality and did not suffer from bigoted hiring practices. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. As a Scotsman living in Scotland, Id say I f youre worried about the religion of your whiskey then perhaps you shouldnt be drinking. Fast forward 60 years. Have a good one. These ideas still run deep and there are still a lot of untrue things people believe about Catholics. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. 1 pint of stout and a halfun of Jameson.. There were licenses to distill granted in and around the Bushmills area in 1608. About 5 or 6 years ago they flooeded Irish bars with it just before St. Paddys Day,almost forcing bars to sell off a lot of free stock they received. A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. I got into Powers through my wife, ans she learned of it from Shane MacGowan(s music). And since I inherited her mothers sideboard, now repurposed as the bar in my den, I shall drink Bushmills tonight. Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! Catholics represented the unstable Republican persona and therefore the company hired few people from the catholic areas. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. But that's merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork - Catholic country. Thank you for the real-world experience! Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. [8] In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.[8]. Ive always preferred the non-woodsy irish Whiskeys so Powers, Knappogue, Red Breast, and recently the Spots have been my drink of choice and never was a fan of bushmills. top off with chilled pulpy orange juice, AND stir lightly .. Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Dont be so ignorant as to think about whether a whiskey is protestant or catholicidiot. I dont give a rip shit about religion and in fact LOATHE the typical evangelical protestant types like Swaggart, Murdoch etc. Although I prefer my BUSHMILLS Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. [1], Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. In whiskey world Northern Ireland is considered to be part of the irish island so no reason to judge Bushmills to be protestant or not. And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. Finish Bushmills I like, but I like Irish Whisky best of all the brown stuff. Thats where I paused it and jumped on to google to figure out exactly what neat meant, which lead me to this article of yours: https://jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/up-neat-straight-up-or-on-the-rocks/. Bad Catholic that I am, I always drank Bushmills over Jameson. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. Powers gold label is absolute shit. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. Not sure this is the right spot, but an Irish colleague and I, had this debate last week around Bushmills v Jameson in an Irish pub, here in New York. My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. Over and out. Your email address will not be published. Funny. [1] History [ edit] For one, Jameson and Bushmills trade casks and some Jamesons bottles are bottled in the Bushmills distillery as well as knowing many a catholic who have worked there over the years. Is Jameson, Bushmills Really Catholic Versus Protestant Whiskey? Your grandfather may have lost friends back in the early 20th century to the Black & Tans and im sorry to hear that, but guess what? Slainte. When I lived in Providence, there was a lot of Powers drinking going on. There are many places in the States where old ideas hold fast including the brand of Ouisge Beatha you drink. This is wayyyy late, and I apologize, but the record needed to be set straight. The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. [2] As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? Never tried Redbreast for some reason. Im sorry but if not drinking a brand of whiskey for some very spurious political reason, and claiming drinking Bushmills somehow condones an Irishman losing his land seems pretty idiotic to me. Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. In 1966, with the Irish whiskey industry still struggling following Prohibition in the United States, the Anglo-Irish Trade War and the rise of competition from Scotch whiskey, John Power & Son joined forces with the only other remaining distillers in the Irish Republic, the Cork Distilleries Company and their Dublin rivals John Jameson & Son, to form Irish Distillers. Jameson was moved down to cork and is my distilled in Middleton, though I believe it is blended in Clondalkin, which is a Dublin suburb. Delicious! Delicious. nant Protestant-oriented movement. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: This works in the same way that Protestants love their Guinness just as much as Roman Catholics in fact, I know a lot of Catholics who never drink the stuff. linseed oil is used on its own or blended with other drying oils, resins and solvents as an impregnator and varnish in wood finishing, as a pigment binder in oil paints, as a plasticizer and hardener in putty and in the manufacture of linoleum. from wikipedia, Michael Jackson You will love this stuff. -as he grabbed the Red Breast off the shelf. For the record, despite the Scottish reformation, that doesnt mean Jamieson was a Proddy. Just as in an area which is largely Catholic you would expect most employees to be Catholic. I wanted to explore one of t, @teremana has been my new favorite tequila since t, Happy Repeal Day! Prefer the Irish whiskeys but never met a single malt I didnt savor. Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. Thanks all for your comments. Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant. as the visit was ending up with only 3 tiny plastic glasses half full. I believe that Germany is the largest market for Tullamore Dew, followed by many of the Eastern European countries. I tried Bushmills a couple of years ago and was surprised to find I liked it a lot, too. The big difference between the two whiskies has nothing to do with religion, which is silly and, in some respects, rather ignorant. say more. Bushmills, on the other hand, was officially licensed in 1608 by King James I (of Bible fame) and despite of its location deep in the heart of Protestant country (and this next bit is straight from my local Bushmills rep, so take it or leave it) has a Catholic as a master distiller. When asked to identify "the term commonly used to refer to the historical period in which Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church," two-thirds of the general public (65%) correctly chose the Reformation. As regards the Catholic v Protestant whiskey debate. Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. Whiskey takes no sides and is drank by all Catholic, Protestant, Hebrew, Atheist, etc. Peter Knox hit the nail on the head in #103 & Hey Bartender is right, giving a crap about what religion founded a whiskeys distillery is about as authentically Irish as corned beefFYI: not a single Irish person I spoke to knew had ever heard of corned beef, it wasnt in the grocery stores & certainly not on any menus. [9] They were the first Dublin distillery to do so, and one of the first in the world. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. The situation is ridiculous. Youd probably get glassed if you asked the question in certain places in Ireland or Scotland. I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. Cant comment on the long term contract in Cork as I hadnt heard that, but I assume they have some sort of get out clause if there is a contract. I do live in a Hicktown. Counter-Reformation, also called Catholic Reformation or Catholic Revival, in the history of Christianity, the Roman Catholic efforts directed in the 16th and early 17th centuries both against the Protestant Reformation and toward internal renewal. The Protestant Reformation was a religious, social, economic, and political revolution that was sparked when a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of his local . I find it to be a littlethick? It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. Cake Most protestant in my area have a real problem with Catholics. Hats off to all the others. And I was not drunk !!! Love Black Bush but Jamesons Gold Reserve gets my vote as the very best Ive had. 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