Is one sin worse than another? The few times PAUL talks about homosexuality, FYI, he either uses the terms that literally mean pedophilia OR they get lumped in with every other sexual act outside of marriage, including STRAIGHT SEX. Our campus is more than just a building where we gather on Sundays. Im so sick of the whole Christian hippie thing. When you read Romans 1 and 2 together intelligently as one argument, you see that his whole point is that the people who are judging others are the ones in sin. So happy to read that you have been able to move on to a far healthier, happier place and wish you the very best for the future. Now we all sin, its truee, and we should be inclusive. He just hates sin. . They practice infant baptism (sprinkling), though thats not clearly a thing we see demonstrated in the Bible. Austin Miniatures Western Barn Wild West Cowboys Conte . Does shaming those who speak up for the vulnerable bring people to the Loving and Forgiving God? Self-justification in all its forms is the greatest affront to the gospel. All of scripture is God breathed. But the issue at hand is Christian teachers saying they heard from God through prayer that God looks at homosexual marriage the same as heterosexual-it just is blasphemy to say you heard such a thing. Do you keep the Sabbath holy? Jesus came & died to forgive sin, not condemn people. People with a homosexual struggle who have homosexual relations are not ANY more sinful than me when I lust after a woman who isnt my wife or you when you harbor hate in your heart toward a neighbor. We must as Evangelicals now learn, in the 21st Century, to be at least as good and wise as Nicodemus, who was willing to go to Jesus in private. My misgiving with this article is whitewashing false teachers, since the subject is not about how to reach and love on homosexuals, but on how to deal with false teachers. What comes to mind is what God said when his people were sacrificing their children to Baal and Moloch: It never even entered my mind though He never gave the explicit command in the Law, Thou shall not sacrifice your children, we know its wrong. When any one says any sin is okay then they are wrong. Burnt toast actually. To love your neighbor as yourself is not condoning sin or teaching sin is okay. To say that this was some kind of clue to the fact that people are born certain ways regarding homosexuality is twisting this verse. I do agree with your comment to Link above, and I most certainly believe that the place for confrontation is not social media or blog posts. I personally think we should confront any teaching done by a well known Christian voice publically, since it is out there publically. If I am wrong on this issue, I am practicing a form of self-justification and teaching self-justification. On her Instagram page, Hatmaker posted touching photos from Austin Pride Week, with the caption: "My beloved little church went downtown to the #AustinPrideParade and gave out Free Mom Hugs, Free Dad Hugs, Free Grana Hugs, and Free Pastor Hugs like it was our paying jobs. Praise God David that He never left your side and He indeed had a better place for you. His Holiness Where do you get that any sex outside your strict standard is disapproved of by God? Thanks evangelical Christianity. I shouldnt have to spell it out. The person is not called out publically, they are called in in love. Brian Austin Green praises Megan Fox & refutes other ex Vanessa's claims. Jen is the author of many books and Bible studies, including Interrupted, 7, and Girl Talk. Great question KB. It all matters, but, just sayin Come be part of what God is doing." What a terrible way to talk about Good Friday., http://www.holmeslybrand.com/culture/2017/4/21/jen-hatmaker-please-stop. I so agree with your point about how we handle disagreement in evangelicalism. Whether you agree with Jen on her understanding of homosexuality or not, I can say she is an exceptional follower of Jesus who has given her life in service of the. Or the only one you care about? I teach others as well publically that drinking alcohol in moderation is not sin. Paul himself did not break up his letters into chapters and verses. However, we should do so with respect and love to those who are in error. Please read Chapter 33 of the esteemed Hebraist Joel Hoffmans The Bible Doesnt Say That, on Homosexuality. That seems nonsensical. This isnt great, Mike, and soooo important. Common Confession One more question to you all who point fingers to those whose sin ( your word) is public, I want to ask- where is your contrition for shaming others? 2701 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78704 . ANC: Austin New Church, Hatmakers' church in Austin FMCUSA: the Free Methodist Church- USA, which ANC was affiliated with and financially sustained by since its inception JH: Jen Hatmaker, member of Austin New Church (ANC), occasional preacher, no official leadership position stated BH: Brandon Hatmaker, founding pastor and elder at ANC He was in the middle of right-wing evangelical churchianity and he skewers it as it justly deserves to be skewered. Are you saying Jesus sinned by chasing the money changers out of the temple? And thats the good news that saves lives and supersedes our sexual drives. To understand Paul you *must* read Romans 1 and 2 as a single argument; after all, Romans 2 begins with Therefore. Yes the 2nd chapter of Genesis is poetry. hhhmmmthat kind of thinking doesnt stand up too good. FMCUSA: the Free Methodist Church- USA, which ANC was affiliated with and financially sustained by since its inception During these six months, I couldnt sleep, I began to have periodic heart palpitations, and went into a dark place of depression. Both sides!). Is a JH an elder? Not someones opinion who, based on the limited comments on this post, appear to be more than a little arrogant. We are a broadly evangelical association of churches, united by a set of core doctrinal statements, I started out in Christian ministry in the 1980s. Its often very ugly. Because they are against what God says is wrong. I do agree with Mike, Surely, if you think a person is guilty of teaching or promoting heresy your primary motivation would be to want to correct that person and restore them to orthodox faith. And in any case expressing a mistaken idea isnt a sin. We see it most clearly in closed communities like Scientology, or in cults like Jonestown or the Branch Davidians, or among fundamentalist churches like Westboro Baptist. Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. ConcernedMeasuring.Locating And to say that marriage between two homosexuals is not wrong-well, I cant even believe we have to have this conversation. How do you justify that? ChatGPT has got some preachers spooked. Our dream is to have an increasingly positive impact on the South Austin Community. Sin is sin is sin. But you miss the third part of Jesus statement regarding how to deal with the one who sins against you. Yes, an email, phone call, face-to-face communication is the first step, and inviting third parties (two or three witnesses) is the second step. Jesus didnt die for the sins of the world so we could allow people to keep sinning. Frost presumed some sort of good will in the likes of Hatmakers condemners. I can agree that some Christians do not handle differences well, and that problems are handled in some with gossip, slander and unbiblical methods of correction. But to God? The 04 Center is a community space in the truest sense of the word. His Identity January 14, 2008 05:00 AM. Yes and amen. Removing our measures; esp comparable measures to others Samantha's creative work has appeared in theatres, churches, and non-profit spaces. If you love someone enough to confront them, then personally (in person) is the way to go, or through private mail to media personalities. But what if your kid asks if he can kill the neighbors punk kid because God did it. Will you tell your child he cant do that? I just read Matthew 21:12 again, and Im not seeing your point. Unity in Him Reasoning is a heretical concept to them. Jen already said how she came to her changed decision she isnt going to answer you one by one because 1. Of course homosexuality us wrong-its everywhere in the Bible. She doesnt owe you a personal response. What you arent wanting to hear is a calm, sincere appeal to Biblical truths. Get the bloodlust out of your system, people. My study of the scriptures has helped me come to the conclusion that drinking alcohol is not sin if in moderation. What churches could learn from the Pub Choir phenomenon, Breaking Up the Family in the Pursuit of Uniformity, The Micro-Shift That Could Be a Gear Changer for Your Church, Women in Ministry Megalist - Women's Role in the Church Resources, Wise Words Wednesday: The Brutality of Unhealthy Religion | GAP COMMUNITY, Being chiefly concerned with things to avoid, Measuring quantities (of giving/serving/attending etc.). is that documented somewhere? But my confidence in what we call the church, or American evangelicalism is shattered deeply. 00:38. I think this whole article is buffoonery. Put me off the internet for awhile, Ill tell ya.). 20,804 Hoda Kotb's lengthy 'Today' show absence finally explained For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a mans enemies will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. I think everybody should be treated with love and respect at church no matter what their sexual orientation. One is the leaven of the Pharisees, one is the leaven of the Herodians, both are an affront to the gospel. What so many do, is to attempt to label as a non-sin, something that is sin to move the fence. Just my two cents. 2701 S Lamar Blvd Austin, TX 78704. Otherwise there is need for concern. We cant offer the grace of Christ with a lie attached. I am so tired of the implication that someone who supports same-sex marriage (or any other cultural buzz issue) is not serious about the Word of God. Through my pain, I am in such a better place, but honestly my wounds still seep and Im still licking them toward wholeness. Dont misunderstand me. Get Started Join us Sundays at 10:30am. And it IS very clear for sure, just like it is for others. Yet, I find myself sobbing in my back yard as I listen, hoping no one hears . 6406 N I-35 Suite 3100 Austin, TX, 78752. Furthermore, if your kids didnt believe that, would you be deeply disturbed or kick them out of the house? New Releases THE QUIET GIRL. That includes naming the ones doing the teaching. How did a blog post calling into question the way that conservative Christians attack each other descend into comments by Christians (Im assuming) attacking each other about SSM? I cant speak for all of Jens critics, but yes, a person with a platform that reaches millions of souls is important and it matters that they are presenting the right Gospel without wavering, and naturally people, myself, included, believe and want this Gospel to be clearly proclaimed no matter the cost. April 28: In response to a Christianity Today article questioning her accountability to a Church, JH tweets Men have ministries. Women have blogs. Ive pastored 20 years. My plea to people is, just remember youre talking about a human being. But an encounter with a homeless man who wanted his Texan boots changed all that. If Jen Hatmakers beliefs prevent one teen from committing suicide because they are gay then maybe all this public scrutiny is worth it. What eternal truth is she rejecting, exactly? My understanding has always been that public sins are rebuked publicly, and private sins can be handled in the way you describe. If you write a blog to slam her, or design a demeaning meme, or post an essay-style comment on her blog youre not only being hurtful, but also completely ineffective at the very thing you claim to be doing. They want to use their platform and were the bad guys if we dont disagree in a quiet, loving manner. Do you just ignore those verses altogether? Even our own. I apologize for such a long post. This IS great, Mike!! Directed by Colm Bairad. Then yes, to say an act is not a sin (that really is) is saying we dont need Jesus to wash away that sin. Shes a heretic! Wonder why the majority of the Christian Machine disdains you? These are conversations for Christians about Christian doctrine, also. This is a sobering appeal and I pray that yes, this discourse does save life and redeem souls from death. Not as burnt toast. My guess is, she knows precisely what shes doing. I just ran across your blog recently. At the very least she deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. Jesus speaks out harshly against causing others to stumble rather than personal sin like in your examples. I have been in the conservative church for over half a century, and Im getting to the point where I feel that if the conservative church wants to exclude me, then so be it. Seems so simple but we fail so often. And Ive heard Rob Bell speak movingly about the cruel and unusual punishment meted out by his evangelical brothers.. Post-Bulletin, Austin MN. I hang out in mosques, Buddhist temples, and bars and show broken people the love of Jesus with no condemnation. Please state facts, not falsehoods about what the Bible does or does not say. God comes first. This is a gospel issue. It is neither your job nor your ability to call out someone elses sin. Actually S. Tannous what Ben E. Calvert said is VERY biblical. This is not about a personal sin or a personal doubt, this is about her clear rejection of an eternal truth. Whenever I see Arthur Hackers 1892 painting, The Annunciation, I feel like Im intruding on an intimate conversation. It doesnt mean that homosexuals shouldnt be allowed in the church however. I very much liked the quotations this article ends with. Samantha Beach Kiley is a writer and performer, and the creative arts pastor at Austin New Church in Austin, Texas. She also said she attempted suicide. Not only are they repudiating her views on various issues (especially on same-sex marriage), but theyre even attacking her for daring to express the pain that all this criticism is causing her. I recommend Frank Schaffers books to everyone. Wilshire Baptist Church, a Dallas-area congregation, voted in 2016 to extend full membership to homosexually active people, including leadership ordination and marriage officiation. Jesus didnt say a lot of things. Shes just one person. Ive been reading it for many, many years. But the start of this topic was about error in teaching. Established in 2008. 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